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		<title>By: TechSoup Blog</title>
		<link>http://zenofnptech.org/2009/11/same-crap-different-day.html/comment-page-1#comment-7257</link>
		<dc:creator>TechSoup Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Causes Leaves MySpace: Should We Care?...&lt;/strong&gt;

Update: Here&#039;s a followup post with some more thoughts on the nonprofit community&#039;s relationship with social networking tools.

There&#039;s been a lot of discussion over the past week about Causes leaving MySpace and becoming a Facebook-only application...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Causes Leaves MySpace: Should We Care?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Update: Here&#8217;s a followup post with some more thoughts on the nonprofit community&#8217;s relationship with social networking tools.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s been a lot of discussion over the past week about Causes leaving MySpace and becoming a Facebook-only application&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Mahan</title>
		<link>http://zenofnptech.org/2009/11/same-crap-different-day.html/comment-page-1#comment-7254</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Mahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just came across this and thought I&#039;d set the record straight.  Almost no one was using the MySpace application. In two years of conversations not one of our 12,000 nonprofit partners said that they actively used the MySpace application.  Morevoer, user adoption of the app was on the order of 100,000 (vs. 100 million on Facebook).  We are a small team and had to make a decision between investing more resources in something that wasn&#039;t working or in something that has done a lot of good for nonprofits.  It&#039;s probably fair to call this a business decision, or an efficient allocation of resources, or however you want to say it, but I don&#039;t find anything wrong with deciding to improve what works rather than promoting something that doesn&#039;t.  What disturbs me is that this decision became an opportunity for poorly-informed commentators to knock down a straw man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just came across this and thought I&#8217;d set the record straight.  Almost no one was using the MySpace application. In two years of conversations not one of our 12,000 nonprofit partners said that they actively used the MySpace application.  Morevoer, user adoption of the app was on the order of 100,000 (vs. 100 million on Facebook).  We are a small team and had to make a decision between investing more resources in something that wasn&#8217;t working or in something that has done a lot of good for nonprofits.  It&#8217;s probably fair to call this a business decision, or an efficient allocation of resources, or however you want to say it, but I don&#8217;t find anything wrong with deciding to improve what works rather than promoting something that doesn&#8217;t.  What disturbs me is that this decision became an opportunity for poorly-informed commentators to knock down a straw man.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Sample Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Sample Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle and Peter -

Thanks for this conversation!

I understand your frustration and hear you loud and clear on the fact that the Causes episode isn&#039;t a new issue.  But that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not a unique opportunity to connect with a new audience of nonprofits about using open source now and thinking about, building towards, and helping call for a more open web in the future.

I do believe it&#039;s unreasonable to expect all organizations to use only self-hosted, open source, or in-house tools (and am not saying that&#039;s what you are calling for either), so I&#039;m hoping we can use the Causes example as a case study in balancing what&#039;s done in 3rd party places and what isn&#039;t.  For example, ensuring there is correct information about your organization on other platforms, that there are enough tools/options/logos/messages/etc that individuals can campaign for you, connect to you, and so on.  But that registration with the organizations, sign ups for campaigns/newsletters/alerts, and actions are handled by the organization&#039;s site so the data can be retained and monitored.  Obviously the actual case studies would be more fleshed out, but that&#039;s just an example.

Again, thanks for continuing the conversation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle and Peter -</p>
<p>Thanks for this conversation!</p>
<p>I understand your frustration and hear you loud and clear on the fact that the Causes episode isn&#8217;t a new issue.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not a unique opportunity to connect with a new audience of nonprofits about using open source now and thinking about, building towards, and helping call for a more open web in the future.</p>
<p>I do believe it&#8217;s unreasonable to expect all organizations to use only self-hosted, open source, or in-house tools (and am not saying that&#8217;s what you are calling for either), so I&#8217;m hoping we can use the Causes example as a case study in balancing what&#8217;s done in 3rd party places and what isn&#8217;t.  For example, ensuring there is correct information about your organization on other platforms, that there are enough tools/options/logos/messages/etc that individuals can campaign for you, connect to you, and so on.  But that registration with the organizations, sign ups for campaigns/newsletters/alerts, and actions are handled by the organization&#8217;s site so the data can be retained and monitored.  Obviously the actual case studies would be more fleshed out, but that&#8217;s just an example.</p>
<p>Again, thanks for continuing the conversation!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear, hear.

At Netsquared Year 2, I led a session called &quot;If your nonprofit has a social media strategy, why?&quot; My argument was that the space is too volatile to make big investments in any one platform, particularly when there&#039;s so much work to be done inside our organizations, educating executives and staff as to the now two way nature of the internet.  But I also pointed out that this landscape is going to change.  Facebook, being the right thing at the right time, might well get enough of a foothold to still be around in five or ten years.  But, in the meantime, the social functionality that they provide will grow more and more omnipresent in our applications and networking environments.  Facebook knows this, too -- that&#039;s why they bought Friendfeed and are pushing Facebook Connect.  They&#039;re not going to beat Google&#039;s move to democratize web 2.0 communication (and open-sourcing Wave is a huge step in that direction) by saying &quot;come to our site instead&quot;.  

With all of that in mind, I am sorry to hear about non-profits who will now have to regroup on how they maintain the relationship with their MySpace constituents and recover from the rug that&#039;s been pulled out from under them.  But I advise everyone to hedge your investments.  This type of upheaval will keep on coming. It doesn&#039;t mean don&#039;t do it; it just means, have a backup plan.  Social networking will not ultimately be tied to any particular web address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear.</p>
<p>At Netsquared Year 2, I led a session called &#8220;If your nonprofit has a social media strategy, why?&#8221; My argument was that the space is too volatile to make big investments in any one platform, particularly when there&#8217;s so much work to be done inside our organizations, educating executives and staff as to the now two way nature of the internet.  But I also pointed out that this landscape is going to change.  Facebook, being the right thing at the right time, might well get enough of a foothold to still be around in five or ten years.  But, in the meantime, the social functionality that they provide will grow more and more omnipresent in our applications and networking environments.  Facebook knows this, too &#8212; that&#8217;s why they bought Friendfeed and are pushing Facebook Connect.  They&#8217;re not going to beat Google&#8217;s move to democratize web 2.0 communication (and open-sourcing Wave is a huge step in that direction) by saying &#8220;come to our site instead&#8221;.  </p>
<p>With all of that in mind, I am sorry to hear about non-profits who will now have to regroup on how they maintain the relationship with their MySpace constituents and recover from the rug that&#8217;s been pulled out from under them.  But I advise everyone to hedge your investments.  This type of upheaval will keep on coming. It doesn&#8217;t mean don&#8217;t do it; it just means, have a backup plan.  Social networking will not ultimately be tied to any particular web address.</p>
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