Comments on: CiviCRM and Drupal (& Joomla) http://zenofnptech.org/2009/01/civicrm-and-drupal-joomla.html Thoughtful and sometimes snarky perspectives on nonprofit technology Sun, 31 Jul 2011 12:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: CiviCRM and Drupal (& Joomla) | KAMAL PANHWAR'S BLOG http://zenofnptech.org/2009/01/civicrm-and-drupal-joomla.html/comment-page-1#comment-7115 CiviCRM and Drupal (& Joomla) | KAMAL PANHWAR'S BLOG Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:18:48 +0000 http://www.zenofnptech.org/?p=443#comment-7115 [...] the rest here: CiviCRM and Drupal (& Joomla) Download as PDF VN:F [1.6.4_902]please wait...Rating: 0.0/10 (0 votes cast)VN:F [...] [...] the rest here: CiviCRM and Drupal (& Joomla) Download as PDF VN:F [1.6.4_902]please wait…Rating: 0.0/10 (0 votes cast)VN:F [...]

]]> By: Elin Waring http://zenofnptech.org/2009/01/civicrm-and-drupal-joomla.html/comment-page-1#comment-6309 Elin Waring Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:12:14 +0000 http://www.zenofnptech.org/?p=443#comment-6309 The biggest issues with Civicrm for Joomla users is that, as Lobo says, most Joomla! users are on shared hosts and don't have an IT staff member, which is basically a requirement for Drupal. That said, I've run it successfully on shared hosts in Joomla for a long time and am not and IT person in any way. Each version has gotten easier even as newer functionality has been added. One project I have been working on is making CiviCRM more Joomla like in the sense of easy to install, easy to style, easy to override layouts. Joomla users are really used to getting well styled pages that integrate visually with their sites out of the box and that doesn't happen with CiviCRM at a number of points. The biggest issue is that CiviCRM doesn't really have what works as a Joomla front end, which I think is just a result of history, that is starting out closely coupled with Drupal. Although it has elements of MVC internally, they are not there for the Joomla parts. I am just speaking as an end user; Joomla developers would like to see it using the Joomla Framework much more than it is. All that said, it's a great application whether in Joomla, Drupal or standalone. The biggest issues with Civicrm for Joomla users is that, as Lobo says, most Joomla! users are on shared hosts and don’t have an IT staff member, which is basically a requirement for Drupal. That said, I’ve run it successfully on shared hosts in Joomla for a long time and am not and IT person in any way. Each version has gotten easier even as newer functionality has been added. One project I have been working on is making CiviCRM more Joomla like in the sense of easy to install, easy to style, easy to override layouts. Joomla users are really used to getting well styled pages that integrate visually with their sites out of the box and that doesn’t happen with CiviCRM at a number of points. The biggest issue is that CiviCRM doesn’t really have what works as a Joomla front end, which I think is just a result of history, that is starting out closely coupled with Drupal. Although it has elements of MVC internally, they are not there for the Joomla parts. I am just speaking as an end user; Joomla developers would like to see it using the Joomla Framework much more than it is. All that said, it’s a great application whether in Joomla, Drupal or standalone.

]]> By: Donald Lobo http://zenofnptech.org/2009/01/civicrm-and-drupal-joomla.html/comment-page-1#comment-6308 Donald Lobo Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:19:07 +0000 http://www.zenofnptech.org/?p=443#comment-6308 Thanx for the writeup, much appreciated :) A couple of points and clarifications: 1. We now have a group in the community focused on building and improving on the REST apis. This is important to a few developers, but our community is a lot more user-centric and thus building and improving on the feature set seems to get a lot more attention 2. v2.1 has also released a few more drupal integration modules. Specifically, we have integrated with Views2 which gives folks a more powerful way of exposing CRM data to the frontend if needed. Other modules include synchronizing CiviCRM member (CiviMembers) to Drupal Roles (so you can permission content on your web site if needed) and synchronizing with organic groups (used by Democrats abroad very effectively in the last election cycle) 3. permissioning and integration with the user registration flow is probably the biggest holes in the Joomla integration. Periodically we hear about integration with Community Builder. The installation process on "cheap shared hosts" is a bit questionable in joomla. We'll be experimenting with some improvements to this in 2.2. We are experimenting with having permissioning handled completely by CiviCRM in our standalone version. We'll probably include this in a future release with Joomla. 4. Thanx for the writeup, much appreciated :) A couple of points and clarifications:

1. We now have a group in the community focused on building and improving on the REST apis. This is important to a few developers, but our community is a lot more user-centric and thus building and improving on the feature set seems to get a lot more attention

2. v2.1 has also released a few more drupal integration modules. Specifically, we have integrated with Views2 which gives folks a more powerful way of exposing CRM data to the frontend if needed. Other modules include synchronizing CiviCRM member (CiviMembers) to Drupal Roles (so you can permission content on your web site if needed) and synchronizing with organic groups (used by Democrats abroad very effectively in the last election cycle)

3. permissioning and integration with the user registration flow is probably the biggest holes in the Joomla integration. Periodically we hear about integration with Community Builder. The installation process on “cheap shared hosts” is a bit questionable in joomla. We’ll be experimenting with some improvements to this in 2.2. We are experimenting with having permissioning handled completely by CiviCRM in our standalone version. We’ll probably include this in a future release with Joomla.

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