Web 2.0 Part IIa: Social Bookmarking

September 24, 2006

After writing my post on tagging, I got sidetracked by Marnie Webb’s mention of ma.gnolia, and then went off to investigate, then decided to write about social bookmarking tools. Ma.gnolia is a new(ish) social bookmarking tool. There are some interesting comparison’s out there – see Notmyself, Phil Crissman, and Jeff Croft for a good review of Ma.gnolia’s open API.

First, I’ll do a quickie review of the social bookmarking phenomena and why I’ve been using del.icio.us, and why I’m switching to Ma.gnolia. And then, I’ll ask myself some questions about it.

So, all browsers keep bookmarks – it helps one easily go back to and find sites that you go to regularly. These days, most browsers have a nice bookmark bar – that really helps organize sites you visit regularly. But what about sites people who do the same kinds of work that you do, or like the same kinds of things that you do? You could google for them, but wouldn’t it be great to see other people’s links – things they found organically? Also, wouldn’t it be great if no matter where you were, you could get to your bookmarks?

So those are the reasons I use a social bookmarking tool, like del.icio.us. (Here’s a pretty complete list of tools from listible, another kind of social bookmarking tool.) I have to admit that my reasons have more to do with the latter (getting at my bookmarks in an organized fashion (i.e. tagged) from anywhere,) but I do like, on occasion, to find people who are kinda like me, and find out what their bookmarks are – and I like contributing my bookmarks. Which, in the end, is why I’m choosing to switch from del.icio.us to Ma.gnolia. I like the interface better, and the social part of the bookmarking is actually a lot better done (they have groups, as well as contacts.)

But some comments on the whole phenomenon. First, the major problem is that there are, at this point, so many of them, and although many (most?) of them have open APIs (that is, they allow other software to interact with them, and grab data, or add data,) they aren’t really interoperable (see Marshall Kirkpatricks excellent post on issues regarding Yahoo and del.icio.us and other of it’s acquisitions – adding another good reason to switch away from del.icio.us.) In the sense that there isn’t a way to, for instance, add the same bookmark to several social bookmarking sites at once (there is, however, a cool greasemonkey script that allows you to copy del.icio.us bookmarks to ma.gnolia.) You basically have to either decide which site has your loyalty, and then stay with that one (or spend a lot of time importing and exporting and double/treble/quadruple bookmarking. It should be interesting to see how this plays out. del.icio.us clearly has had the lion’s share of attention for a while, but who knows how long this will remain.

The next question is, well, how useful is this anyway? In some ways, I use social bookmarking tools like listible as a more directed google (I’ve yet to create any lists). I use furl to keep pages that have content that I absolutely want to keep, in case the site goes away (furl could go away, of course, so maybe I should save that stuff to my hard drive – they have a cool export feature.) Bookmarking saves me time, for sure. But it’s also true that a lot of the "social" in social bookmarking has been more of a time suck than a time saver.

But, as I’ve said, it’s not all about efficiency. Does it really connect me to people? Sometimes, but not generally. In general, at least del.icio.us’ focuses more on the metadata aspects of the social part of social bookmarking (centered around tags). Ma.gnolia seems better. We’ll see. But in the meantime, social bookmarking tools are I think a useful part of Web 2.0.

{ 9 comments… read them below or add one }

1 Chris Willmott 09.25.06 at 3:02 am

Have you tried StumbleUpon for ’stumbling’ upon websites that other like minded people have visited and liked.

Its great for lunch hours!

http://www.stumbleupon.com

There is also a FireFox toolbar to go with it.

2 marnie webb 09.25.06 at 6:23 am

The two big problems I’ve run into with ma.gnolia — speed (it interupts my browsing by making me just wait for windows) and the fact that, for reasons I haven’t figured out yet, it isn’t working with my feedburner splice.

Those two things — adding itmes FAST — and the ability to have presentation of the items that integrates with my main communication tools (in my case, my blog and my main RSS feed) are key to a good social bookmarking tool.

3 Beth 09.27.06 at 9:17 am

Thanks for this informative article! So, is there a bookmarklet that lets you bookmark to both delicious and magnolia with out going through two steps?

4 Michelle 09.27.06 at 10:39 am

Marnie: Yeah, Ma.gnolia is slow sometimes, but speed isn’t much of a factor for me. And I prefer the popup to delicious opening in the same window and messing up my page navigation stream. I do wish they had a tag cloud add on for blogs, too.

Beth: nope. I haven’t found one. I created my own, which basically just calls both delicious and magnolia, but you have to fill them in.

I have to admit I’m tempted to write a proof of concept app that will send the same bookmark to as many different social bookmarking tools as you want. Hmmmmm….. someone’s got to have done that already…

5 Michelle 09.27.06 at 10:45 am

Well, I haven’t found one, but I did find this: http://ma.gnolia.com/blog/2006/08/23/the-mirrord-api

So Ma.gnolia now has an API that mirrors del.icio.us API.

Which would make it dead easy to create a little app to send bookmarks to them both. Hmmmm….

6 Beth 09.28.06 at 10:40 am

Alan Levine – CogDogBlog – created a tool that posts to all the socialbookmarking tools, but can’t seem to put my finger on it ..

I’m not in the mood to experiment with YASB – Yet another social bookmarking tool … but soon I will.

7 Todd Sieling 09.28.06 at 3:43 pm

Hey gang
I’m the product manager for Ma.gnolia, so I appreciate the comments here.

Michelle, we hear you on the concerns about speed, and we’ve made some strides in that respect after a rather clunky period of server failure and finding out where the choke points are.

If there are specific pages that give you trouble, or if you still find the overall site too slow, definitely let us know and we’ll get on that.

Finally, speaking of the API, we also have our regular one which is fairly robust and a great way to take advantage of the more unique aspects that we have going. We like what the delicious mirror API (named Mirrord) can do in porting existing applications, which is happening and documented on our blog.

Thanks for giving us a look, and again for the comments. It’s the best way for us to know how well we’re doing on delivering a good experience to you.

8 Todd Sieling 11.06.06 at 6:08 am

Michelle, we now have a tag roll feature in place for you to try out. If you see anything it needs, let us know!
It’s found from our add-ons page: http://ma.gnolia.com/support/addons and you need to be signed in for it to work.

9 Michelle Murrain 11.06.06 at 8:14 pm

Thanks, Todd – I’ll check it out!

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